The tank in there was a WAR so the healer literally had to do NOTHING, except when the tank either hit something too late, or just decided to make the healer work harder, and ended up dying. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. :DSince the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going. Someone marks me with the danger dorito. So they had to heal me (as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. He made it one pull. I like how conjurer works, so I enjoy playing this way. I was a healer for a dungeon. 2. This being set to Practice and not Duty Completion is what does it for me. Players will now receive the power of the Echo in the event all party members are incapacitated during the following trials: Storms Crown, Storm’s Crown (Extreme) The strength of the Echo granted in Pandæmonium: Asphodelos (Savage) has. Duty Finder Confessions. /playdead. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. What happened? Edit: The thread. Online. :DThread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. (That can be also quite fun as veteran player if you get grouped with 7 sprouts for an extreme trial) Discord servers for clearing old content synced for each Datacenter: NA: Aether: Crystal: from the Twilight. Even when I do troll, I would never do anything. We already discussed that, most part of 15-80 duties is a joke for a healer or a tank, which makes ur healer/tank feels like disrespected crap. You havent duo'd it at level 50, they have solo'd it for you. The only spells he ever cast were Shadowflare, Painflare, and occasionally Ruin II or Ruin III. He meant Tri. Main Class. (4)Duty finder is so fun ~ Leveling roulette: Haukke Manor. This is especially bad when I'm on AST and the tank moves everything out of my Earthly Star. Main Class. Normal 8-man raids like the twelve level 60 Alexander raids are accessible via queuing in duty finder, except for the Coils of Bahamut. So we load into Kugane Castle – Syn/Zeb as White Mage, Amoon on Ninja, and I on Red Mage. 2. You cast the fast variant of Verthunder/Aero which will give you an instant-cast you use on Impact. We invite you to peruse a tale of Sharlayan recollection and resolve: A Legacy of Hope. Let's vent. Since the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going. When it does matter is when things are looking iffy and people dont use it. (6)Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. FFXIV: Tales from the Duty Finder – The July 1st Tank. 🔴 WATCH LIVE!! BECOME A MEMBER:…Support the stream: Weekly drops with some static peeps and. Since the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going. What youre doing is no different to going into a level 50 extreme unsynced with a level 70 companion. Every single case of a job stone being missing is either someone made a mistake (which a requirement would serve as an effective reminder) or someone trolling. The tank kept dying and I could not understand why. I’ve been slacking on earning tomes lately. They did the first hall/boss as an ice mage. We ended up running Ala Mhigo with a pick-up Tank and a Black Mage DPS. World. Like polar bears! I don’t mind the neck breaking pace of subsequent runs with groups but my first time I like to look around and read. White Mage Lv 90. But I just don’t have a lot of tolerance for people who have no intention of being nice to other players in Duty Finder anymore. Sanguine_Sword • 7 yr. ago. Because most people in this game aren't dumb enough to self-incriminate. 2. Dark Knight Lv 80. 5. When asked if there was any particular reason he wasn't casting these spells he listed the spells he was casting and said the others were "level locked". We got. 0. :DSince the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going. They also need to be a bit more aggressive with minimum itemlevel requirements for certain content types. Since the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going. Sure hunt trains are faster. The Duty Finder allows players to undertake multiplayer duties without having to form a party on their own. Main Class. We finally finish the last boss and it's been about 35m into the duty. 2. 2. So joined their. They did the first hall/boss as an ice mage. U can kick after 5 minutes, by stopping on any point of the dungeon run, right after 1st boss for example. The FC leader joined as our other DPS, and went with BLM too. . While nothing in particular, one of the firsts dungeons I ended up playing after a decent absence was Skalla dungeon with a returning player of 3 months, a sprout tank and a sprout samurai. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. 0. we cleared. (Extreme) via duty finder and went as Bard (the only job where I could, currently, meet the level restriction). 05-18-2023 12:49 PM #2795. Aetherical Research Facility. FFXIV: Tales from the Duty Finder – Getting Burned. He made it one pull. Tales From The Duty Finder is a podcast that celebrates the stories of Final Fantasy XIV players from all walks of life. The FC leader joined as our other DPS, and went with BLM too. He meant Tri. Most our FC was busy doing other. This includes dungeons, guildhests, trials, raids, PvP, some Gold Saucer minigames, as content types; and alternatively the joining of a Duty Roulette that will select a random instance of a given content type for the player. BBQ fell off the platform over and over. Especially in duty-finder matchmaking. In the last part, between the second boss and the third, you have this annoying place. Expecting competence from people, especially players 71+, is not toxic nor is it grounds for a harassment report. 0. Show Printable Version;. :DEverything's going fine. This covers joining parties in progress, unsyncing content, canceling your echo. Let's vent. Also doesnt matter if its used during a pull. 2. 2. Let's vent. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. In a sequel to the story of the “Don’t Care” Healer… today, we have the flip side of the story where the healer cares a bit too much about what everyone else is doing… except for his own healing. 2. ago. Very little amount of pettiness surprises me in duty finder. The game then takes a random other duty and marks it as completed. Ivan Moondiver. Nobody's AoE can reach because the tank is in the center of the brawl, sabotaging DPS and himself. The easy one. We already discussed that, most part of 15-80 duties is a joke for a healer or a tank, which makes ur healer/tank feels like disrespected crap. Let's vent. I didn’t have anything to complain about in this particular run — the tank actually took it slowly, which was fine, compared to our July 1st tank story. Maybe it’s just old age. Thread Tools. The only spells he ever cast were Shadowflare, Painflare, and occasionally Ruin II or Ruin III. And at that, they (healer in lvl50 dungeon) had the gall to say that tank has braindead gameplay and that their job is more complex and intellectual. World. Was browsing the Duty Finder early morning before work, and noted a newbie asking for help queuing 'The Final Gasp' as they were keen to progress with the MSQ but had been queueing for it for a while with no sign of it 'popping'. use Duty Support or Trusts, don't inconvenience other people. I can take care of myself until then. Take a wild guess who got dance partnered. Please look forward to it. Get a party for that or don't enter, otherwise it falls under lethargic play as you're intentionally limiting yourself and causing problems for other players. That was where it all went out the window. What happened? Edit: The thread thankfully was brought back. Twice now you've abandoned your group the game gave you. I forget which dungeon but it was high level enough that decent gear is a must. Rising. Tales from the party finder! Guy joins EX4 farm and explicitly asks if it’s a “duty complete” required party (it is) because he’s sick of farm parties that are actually prog parties. The tank couldn't care less: it pulls w2w anyway, with no heal. Saw this last night, just thought I'd share it, surprisingly didn't see anyone join after checking a few times. 1st mechanic that locks a person in place just needs one other person to join the target. Sage Lv 90. But because of sheer stubbornness, just doesn't get used. Confession: I've made several people get angry in Duty Finder before thanks to me being a noob tank. 2. Its the game design. Let's vent. 0. The only spells he ever cast were Shadowflare, Painflare, and occasionally Ruin II or Ruin III. He meant Tri. It allows players to search for and recruit players on their server to participate in group content. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. Thread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. This system does support pre-made parties, however, and will fill in empty slots as needed. Expecting competence from people, especially players 71+, is not toxic nor is it grounds. So they had to heal me (as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. Conjurer Lv 90. When asked if there was any particular reason he wasn't casting these spells he listed the spells he was casting and said the others were "level locked". (4) Reply With. Restricted. To mark the ninth anniversary of FINAL FANTASY XIV, we proudly present a new collection of side stories with Tales from the Dawn! Peer deeper into the hearts and minds of a diverse cast of characters, beginning with the first installment: A Friendship of Record. U can kick after 5 minutes, by stopping on any point of the dungeon run, right after 1st boss for example. Doing Sohm Al just now I ran into a SMN who would not use Ruin, Bio, Bio II or Miasma. In an age of unprecedented air travel, sky pirates soar through the heavens on their airships in search of new frontiers and undiscovered treasures. 3. Somebody fucked up somewhere, and you can't blame DPS not using Addle/Feint. So here I am too explain to you why you should stop queueing via the Duty Finder, and. the dragoon started following him. Add D/F for German and French. And now that i have spoken it, let you never again cross my mind. We have fun here in Duty Finder. . You havent duo'd it at level 50, they have solo'd it for you. . Most of the time, we have decent/good experiences with the Duty Finder. When asked if there was any particular reason he wasn't casting these spells he listed the spells he was casting and said the others were "level locked". Show Printable Version;. When asked if there was any particular reason he wasn't casting these spells he listed the spells he was casting and said the others were "level locked". It would take at most an afternoon for a programmer to implement and test. Doing Sohm Al just now I ran into a SMN who would not use Ruin, Bio, Bio II or Miasma. He meant Tri. Well Paladin is less meh. Thread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. If you have a capable tank, capable healer, good dps, and no dicey moments, then it doesnt matter if they save it. It works and I rejoined the duty. 0. Hello all, I am a level 50 PLD, I am a tank. FFXIV: Tales from the Duty Finder: Dog Days. Wolves den can have teams sit in que for 30 mins and will refuse to match them up. Talking to him unlocks Sastasha, the first dungeon, which will unlock Duty Finder. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. 0. card. 0. The Duty Finder is the matchmaking system in Final Fantasy XIV that allows players to queue up for instanced Dungeons, Trials, Raids, Guildhests, or PvP (Player-versus-Player) content without first needing to be part of a pre-made party. If you want to be bad on purpose you have 2 options: group finder and the scions. GNB loses aggro a couple of times but nothing like the supplementary aoe heals from Kerachole, Physis II, & Panhaima couldn't handle until they took it back. Maybe it’s just old age. This skips all mechanics and just burns him for a fast fight. Locking off classes from content is already possible, just not implemented. I know they don't give you exp but did you know it's hard to click on the sand when everything is aggroed on you. We’ve also been getting it a lot in alliance roulette lately. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. Hit Nack ( Masamune) posted a new blog entry, "漆黒エリアのFATE達成度コンプリート. Thread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. The FC leader joined as our other DPS, and went with BLM too. He made it. However, sometimes you get a raid that divides itself between knowing to burn the boss and trying to kill adds. Healers get more shit because they're more visible to the community as a whole and a bad healer makes most content impossible unless you're late enough into the game and a RDM or PLD to be able to salvage the fight if they go down mid-boss. - Duty Finder. 0. The base class challenge only works as a challenge if you are all on base classes, because you all work harder, so its distributed. Doing Sohm Al just now I ran into a SMN who would not use Ruin, Bio, Bio II or Miasma. The FC leader joined as our other DPS, and went with BLM too. Let's vent. So we all know by now that there was a 2 day blackout over the API changes Reddit will inevitably be implementing in July. Their point is that if you go into a duty post 30-35 on a base class, and everyone else are on jobs, then they are carrying you because your base stats are low, and your skills are super limited. :DFor Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tales from the Duty Finder: GameFaqs Edition (Stories of Woe, Fun & More)" - Page 3. and the only groups i ever enjoyed were blue mage party finder. Okay so, I've been a huge fan of this subreddit for a while now, I've been reading every post, every comment, every horror story that people have. Some fights we cannonicly do ourselves, even if it requires an in game party. I was playing black mage and god, between havig messed up the backup function + re. Thread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Tales of Destiny 2 is the latest entry in the. Gladiator Lv 50. one that needed the duty and another that was helping like me) was giving me consolation pats because they understood. 0. When asked if there was any particular reason he wasn't casting these spells he listed the spells he was casting and said the others were "level locked". Gladiator Lv 90. Bloodbath and arms length keeps me up while I'm help mitigation so it helps both the tanks and the healer. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. r/TalesFromDF is no longer restricted. (Which I get, tbh. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. I was playing black mage and god, between havig messed up the backup function + re. I will say that while the run was… interesting… I don’t recall anyone really getting nasty about it. I was a healer for a dungeon. On a more positive note, looking forward to some blind shenanigans in the new alliance raid. 0. Accept the quest from the Levemete in the Adventurers' Guild, then after you go to the location to complete it, the nearby Levemete will have a blue quest called "Simply The Hest". Once at the beginning, once 70% into the fight. Let's vent. Not DiaDeem’s story, definitely… after experiencing that myself. and just want to get to the rest of the story after waiting half an hour in queue only to get trolled until the duty times out because someone is too lazy to press a button a few times. This actually happened back before Thanksgiving, so it’s been a while. Jenova. Which was fine, because none of them knew how to use the interrupts so I was having to use Low Blow to stun the second room wide attack. For the duties you're trying to complete, you won't even need a full party. The base class challenge only works as a challenge if you are all on base classes, because you all work harder, so its distributed. Let's vent. He made it. TheMightyMollusk. 2. Among other things. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. So sit back and hear my story of World of Darkness woe. Show Printable Version; Subscribe to this Thread… Advanced Search Using the Duty Finder. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. But I just don’t have a lot of tolerance for people who have no intention of being nice to other players in Duty Finder anymore. These are the people that queue for a raid when they know they. This is especially bad when I'm on AST and the tank moves everything out of my Earthly Star. He meant Tri. And dies miserably. 0. Let's vent. i'm done. Cue end of an era. Amelie Ogw ( Durandal) has created the event "シラディハ水道異聞【ノーマル】1ボスまで. He made it. Let's vent. 0. The Duty Finder can be unlocked at level 10 after you have unlocked Levequests during your level 9 Main Scenario Quest. The next installment of Tales under the New Moon is now available for your reading pleasure. He meant Tri. The dnc ate quite a few easily dodgeable ones, and died to the chasing claws and nearly got the blm killed in the process for the dps check. Hop in, do a normal greeting, sage does. 2. At the end of the duty, the DRK wrote "Good job on managing that. Also doesnt matter if its used during a pull. 2,593. Both DPS knew how to dodge mechanics, so it was mostly up to BBQ to keep himself healed after standing in stuff. Alternate between the 2 until you hit 60/60 and then do the AoE sword move that lets you do the big combo finisher. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. It’s mostly about a group of punks who had no consideration for anything but their own desires. Thread Tools. With a DPS without their job stone who knows how far you're going to be in 5 minutes. I used the Duty Finder to enter a Guildhest. Give it a few secs, turn mine on, pull, and they immediately turns theirs on and start competing for aggro during opener burst. On a day like any other, while conversing with your comrades and the captain below deck, the ship lurches violently. I've only met like 3 of these ppl. Rising. ASkellington. To commemorate the eighth anniversary of FINAL FANTASY XIV, we proudly present a new collection of side stories with Tales from the Twilight! Take a glimpse at pivotal moments in the lives of the game’s beloved characters, beginning with our first installment: The Burden of Duty. But as i said elsewhere, i only play late at night and trains happen but not often. ago. Character. (6)The first one (Labyrinth) requires 15 people iirc for a mechanic, but after that you can do it with 3 high level characters. These sort of defeatist attitude honestly draining to see. 2. Louisoix. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter Contest (NA. roboSTERNE • 2 yr. I really wanna get into DPS, but I find that doing duties gets me a decent chunk of EXP, but the wait times are significantly long compared to Tank and Healer. Welcome back to another Tales from the Duty Finder! It’s been a while since I’ve written one of these, and this one isn’t super terrible on the scale of things. what time are you usually queuing? you may be hitting slow times for your server, even dps queue on most dungeons shouldn’t be more than 10 minutes. For most of the game the Duty Finder is simply an out of universe. Alpha. View Profile View Forum PostsThread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Deciding to take the goofing around to the next level, they announced after the first boss that they were switching to thunder mage strats. i'm sad, but done. In fact it doesn't even manipulate your input at all. So they had to heal me (as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. Since the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going. :DThread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. They did the first hall/boss as an ice mage. Hot. (Please, troll with your friends to your heart's content, don't bring me to your mess. "Pull less, love" "She's not handling to heal you, better pull less", then he goes on saying "Fuck them, they're horrible, I give up, I can't with this healer", and on third pic it says "I'm going to kill one by one, or we're going to wipe" "relax they're blacklisted, I won't get. Deciding to take the goofing around to the next level, they announced after the first boss that they were switching to thunder mage strats. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. For those not initiated, “Tales from the Duty Finder” (A name I borrowed from a forum thread with the same concept) is where I record runs with truly strange, funny or downright bad PUG individuals. 4. If I'm lucky, I can earn Second Chance. If you formed a group you could knock out expert/90/50-80 and get 420, it would take 15m a dungeon right about, so roughly 45m total but almost 33% more too lol. Let's vent. He meant Tri. We've just finished the 1st trash pack after the 1st boss when the tank says "What's up with the trolling?" Naturally the healer, the other dps (a Black Mage) and I all say some variation of "What do you mean?" And the tank says "You're both using Blizzard 2. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. If you have a capable tank, capable healer, good dps, and no dicey moments, then it doesnt matter if they save it. My worst group in duty finder ever involved myself and my wife tanking A5 together as Drk and War. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. Your shields will do much better, especially since you were spamming Physick for 90% of the duty. Complete it to unlock Guildhests, which will. DNC immediately bounces and the BLM was shaking his head. They did the first hall/boss as an ice mage. And dies miserably. Also matches are going closer to 20 mins since 2. These sort of defeatist attitude honestly draining to see. Main Class. Tales from Eorzea (NA) Culinary Creation Contest (EU) Letter from the Producer LIVE Part III; We Dub to Make it Ours (NA) These Grand Company Colors Don't Run! Hidden Artifacts; Grant A Wish Contest (EU) Garuda—She's Like the Wind; Culinary Creation Contest (NA) Valentione’s Dialogue Contest (EU) Valentione’s Day Love Letter. Read the first story. You select a duty and it lets you recruit players. Duty Finder is for 'grindy' stuff like roulettes, 4-mans, 24 mans, and 'hard' difficulty trials. He made it one pull. On Japanese servers make sure you have E and J checked. Thread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. All it does is remove the first packet trip delay entirely when calculating time to next skill. The reason blm has a complexity meme going around isn't because the job is actually hard to play. They did the first hall/boss as an ice mage. The Party Finder is a gameplay feature of Final Fantasy XIV, added in Patch 2. Also doesnt matter if its used during a pull. Sprout Healer left after the first wipe and we got a non-sprout AST. World. 2. He meant Tri. 4 days. Tira Mu. They did the first hall/boss as an ice mage. When you are ready to enter, select Commence to begin. 06-20-2023 02:44 AM #2902. The FC leader joined as our other DPS, and went with BLM too. 2. Got Holminster. The final boss, though. Deciding to take the goofing around to the next level, they announced after the first boss that they were switching to thunder mage strats. The FC leader joined as our other DPS, and went with BLM too. This is especially bad when I'm on AST and the tank moves everything out of my Earthly Star. World. Went off in french. Generally, I make progress on her before other FC folks get online and want to do other things. Partly to keep getting some DRK practice in to refresh myself on it (haven't played it for about 5 months, so pre-EW), partly to celebrate finally getting my stupid Bunker fending chest by doing other Nier raids. So they had to heal me (as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. Was expecting a wipe, but it never happened. I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it. the limited job had the most potential. Some people believe it uses the wolves dens pvp ranking system to try to protect low rank people. 2. You are not expected to study guides or videos beforehand, however most are just a bit more difficult than MSQ duties. Don't worry too much about missing out on mechanics and what not by unsyncing. card. World. Thread: Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. However, what makes blm stand out from all other jobs is the fact that the job doesn't allow you to only be somewhat okay at being a. the paladin saluted the dragoon and left. I can't seem to find it anymore. The only spells he ever cast were Shadowflare, Painflare, and occasionally Ruin II or Ruin III. It would take at most an afternoon for a programmer to implement and test. Since the original thread has finally been closed, I thought I'd start a new one in case anyone is interested in keeping it going.